diff --git a/lib/Command/CirclesDetails.php b/lib/Command/CirclesDetails.php
index a1fe097ee..106233fa1 100644
--- a/lib/Command/CirclesDetails.php
+++ b/lib/Command/CirclesDetails.php
@@ -49,6 +49,7 @@
 use OCA\Circles\Exceptions\UnknownRemoteException;
 use OCA\Circles\Exceptions\UserTypeNotFoundException;
 use OCA\Circles\Model\Member;
+use OCA\Circles\Model\Probes\CircleProbe;
 use OCA\Circles\Service\CircleService;
 use OCA\Circles\Service\ConfigService;
 use OCA\Circles\Service\FederatedUserService;
@@ -165,7 +166,11 @@ protected function execute(InputInterface $input, OutputInterface $output): int
 						true
 					);
 
-					$circle = $this->circleService->getCircle($circleId, 0);
+
+					$probe = new CircleProbe();
+					$probe->includeNonVisibleCircles();
+
+					$circle = $this->circleService->getCircle($circleId, $probe);
 				} catch (CircleNotFoundException $e) {
 					throw new CircleNotFoundException(
 						'unknown circle, use --instance to retrieve the data from a remote instance'
diff --git a/lib/Controller/AdminController.php b/lib/Controller/AdminController.php
index aa84d868c..65c743e4a 100644
--- a/lib/Controller/AdminController.php
+++ b/lib/Controller/AdminController.php
@@ -291,7 +291,10 @@ public function circleDetails(string $emulated, string $circleId): DataResponse
 		try {
 			$this->setLocalFederatedUser($emulated);
 
-			return new DataResponse($this->serialize($this->circleService->getCircle($circleId)));
+			$probe = new CircleProbe();
+			$probe->includeNonVisibleCircles();
+
+			return new DataResponse($this->serialize($this->circleService->getCircle($circleId, $probe)));
 		} catch (Exception $e) {
 			$this->e($e, ['emulated' => $emulated, 'circleId' => $circleId]);
 			throw new OcsException($e->getMessage(), $e->getCode());
diff --git a/lib/Controller/LocalController.php b/lib/Controller/LocalController.php
index 5d33d836f..1e42119f9 100644
--- a/lib/Controller/LocalController.php
+++ b/lib/Controller/LocalController.php
@@ -203,7 +203,10 @@ public function circleDetails(string $circleId): DataResponse {
 		try {
 			$this->setCurrentFederatedUser();
 
-			return new DataResponse($this->serialize($this->circleService->getCircle($circleId)));
+			$probe = new CircleProbe();
+			$probe->includeNonVisibleCircles();
+
+			return new DataResponse($this->serialize($this->circleService->getCircle($circleId, $probe)));
 		} catch (Exception $e) {
 			$this->e($e, ['circleId' => $circleId]);
 			throw new OcsException($e->getMessage(), $e->getCode());
diff --git a/lib/Db/CoreQueryBuilder.php b/lib/Db/CoreQueryBuilder.php
index 8c07b0f42..7122a38f9 100644
--- a/lib/Db/CoreQueryBuilder.php
+++ b/lib/Db/CoreQueryBuilder.php
@@ -1279,6 +1279,13 @@ protected function limitInitiatorVisibility(string $alias): ICompositeExpression
 			$orX->add($this->exprLimitBitwise('config', Circle::CFG_VISIBLE, $alias));
 		}
 
+		if ($this->getBool('includeNonVisibleCircles', $options)) {
+			$andXNonVisible = $expr->andX();
+			$andXNonVisible->add($this->exprLimitBitwise('config', Circle::CFG_OPEN, $alias));
+			$andXNonVisible->add($this->exprFilterBitwise('config', Circle::CFG_VISIBLE, $alias));
+			$orX->add($andXNonVisible);
+		}
+
 		// if Member can be Visitor, we only filter access to Personal Circles
 		if ($this->getBool('viewableThroughKeyhole', $options, false)) {
 			$andOpen = $expr->andX();
diff --git a/lib/Model/Probes/CircleProbe.php b/lib/Model/Probes/CircleProbe.php
index 35add02c8..5058a5f49 100644
--- a/lib/Model/Probes/CircleProbe.php
+++ b/lib/Model/Probes/CircleProbe.php
@@ -47,6 +47,9 @@ class CircleProbe extends MemberProbe {
 	/** @var int */
 	private $filter = Circle::CFG_SINGLE;
 
+	/** @var bool */
+	private $includeNonVisible = false;
+
 
 	/**
 	 * CircleProbe constructor.
@@ -125,6 +128,24 @@ public function includeBackendCircles(bool $include = true): self {
 		return $this;
 	}
 
+	/**
+	 * @param bool $include
+	 *
+	 * @return $this
+	 */
+	public function includeNonVisibleCircles(bool $include = true): self {
+		$this->includeNonVisible = $include;
+
+		return $this;
+	}
+
+	/**
+	 * @return bool
+	 */
+	public function nonVisibleCirclesIncluded(): bool {
+		return $this->includeNonVisible;
+	}
+
 
 	/**
 	 * @return int
@@ -259,6 +280,7 @@ public function getAsOptions(): array {
 				'includeBackendCircles' => $this->isIncluded(Circle::CFG_BACKEND),
 				'includeSystemCircles' => $this->isIncluded(Circle::CFG_SYSTEM),
 				'includePersonalCircles' => $this->isIncluded(Circle::CFG_PERSONAL),
+				'includeNonVisibleCircles' => $this->nonVisibleCirclesIncluded(),
 				'filtered' => $this->included(),
 				'filterHiddenCircles' => $this->isIncluded(Circle::CFG_HIDDEN),
 				'filterSingleCircles' => $this->isIncluded(Circle::CFG_SINGLE),
diff --git a/lib/Service/CircleService.php b/lib/Service/CircleService.php
index 9ea0bc2f6..df8f47ac2 100644
--- a/lib/Service/CircleService.php
+++ b/lib/Service/CircleService.php
@@ -377,7 +377,10 @@ public function updateSettings(string $circleId, array $settings): array {
 	public function circleJoin(string $circleId): array {
 		$this->federatedUserService->mustHaveCurrentUser();
 
-		$circle = $this->circleRequest->getCircle($circleId, $this->federatedUserService->getCurrentUser());
+		$probe = new CircleProbe();
+		$probe->includeNonVisibleCircles();
+
+		$circle = $this->circleRequest->getCircle($circleId, $this->federatedUserService->getCurrentUser(), $probe);
 		if (!$circle->getInitiator()->hasInvitedBy()) {
 			$this->federatedUserService->setMemberPatron($circle->getInitiator());
 		}
@@ -425,7 +428,7 @@ public function circleLeave(string $circleId, bool $force = false): array {
 
 	/**
 	 * @param string $circleId
-	 * @param int $filter
+	 * @param CircleProbe|null $probe
 	 *
 	 * @return Circle
 	 * @throws CircleNotFoundException