Better support for smooth scrolling trackpads and mice #7941

allejok96 · 2025-06-06T21:16:36Z

Continuation of #6700. Many of the those things have already been fixed in other PRs since then.

Main issue

Scrolling in LMMS has not been designed for high-resolution trackpads and mice. It either violently reacts on every tiny movement, or completely ignores it. This PR introduces a Scroll class used to calculate scroll values. It handles high-resolution scrolling, natural scrolling and modifier keys that swap scroll direction.

Other small improvements

Vertical scrolling in Automation Editor and Piano Roll is now relative to vertical zoom level
Enable horizontal scrolling in Piano Roll's note edit area
Enable scrolling on Piano in the bottom of instrument window
Horizontal scrolling on LCD spinboxes and Knobs doesn't continuously decrease their value
(Edit) Horizontal scroll speed in Song Editor is slightly slower.

Changes

~~Remove Shift+scroll for horizontal scrolling in the editors~~
- ~~Alt+scroll already does the same thing and is built-in system-wide in Qt on Windows and Linux.~~
- ~~This PR brings Alt+scroll (Option+scroll) to macOS too.~~
- (Edit) Shift+scroll is de-facto on many systems. Let's keep that, even if Alt+Scroll is built into Qt.
Allow macOS to use natural scrolling on ComboBoxes (swipe up to move to next item)
- ~~Is this how macOS does it on other drop down menus?~~
- Native macOS drop down menus doesn't allow scrolling on them, so we can do whatever we want.

Things to test

Hey tester. There's a lot of widgets to test, I'm glad if you can help. If you have both a touchpad and mouse test if there's any difference. Here's some stuff you should look out for:

Scroll speeds are the same as before.
Scroll directions are the same as before.
Scroll directions for natural scrolling on macOS.
Scrolling on high-resolution trackpads.
Is it possible to scroll diagonally in the editors? (Are there trackpads that support this?)
Press modifier keys when scrolling (see list below)
Test that the point under the mouse does not change when scrolling to zoom
Test the scroll speed on logarithmic knobs

Widgets that have been edited and needs testing

Where to scroll	Expected behavior	Modifier keys
AudioFileProcessor wave view	zoom
Compressor	zoom
Equalizer handle	change resonance
Vectorscope	zoom
Midi clip (in Pattern editor)	add note/change note volume
Automation editor	scroll vertically	none
Automation editor	scroll horizontally	shift
Automation editor	scroll horizontally (Win/Lin)	alt
Automation editor	zoom	ctrl
Automation editor	zoom Y direction	ctrl+shift
Automation editor	change quantization	ctrl+alt
Piano roll	scroll vertically	none
Piano roll	scroll horizontally	shift
Piano roll	scroll horizontally (Win/Lin)	alt
Piano roll	zoom	ctrl
Piano roll	change quantization	ctrl+alt
Piano roll	change note length	ctrl+shift
Piano roll note edit area	change note volume
Song editor	scroll vertically	none
Song editor	scroll horizontally	shift
Song editor	scroll horizontally (Win/Lin)	alt
Song editor	zoom	ctrl
Song editor	zoom slower	ctrl+shift
Piano in instrument window	scroll horizontally
Track	resize height	ctrl+alt
Track	resize height faster	shift+alt
Combo box	change value
Fader	change value
Knob	change value (check the speed when it's set to logarithmic too)
Knob	change value faster	shift
Knob	change value slower (on knobs with more than 1000 values)	ctrl
Knob	change value super slow (on knobs with more than 2000 values)	alt
LcdFloatSpinBox (in Scales and Keymaps)	change value
LcdSpinBox	change value
Envelope/FX tabs in instrument window	change tab

Reported problems

Alt scroll doesn't work on some Windows devices
Alt scroll doesn't work on Wayland
Ctrl or Shift scrolling is slower on some Windows devices

src/gui/editors/AutomationEditor.cpp

src/gui/editors/SongEditor.cpp

allejok96 · 2025-06-06T21:42:14Z

src/gui/editors/PianoRoll.cpp

 		// ticks based on the mouse x-position where the scroll wheel was used
 		int ticks = x / m_ppb;
-		// what would be the ticks in the new zoom level on the very same mouse x
-		int newTicks = x / (DEFAULT_PR_PPB * m_zoomLevels[z]);


We don't have to think about "what would be the ticks in the new zoom level". We can just change it and evaluate x / m_ppb again.

allejok96 · 2025-06-06T21:48:02Z

plugins/Compressor/CompressorControlDialog.cpp

+
 	const float temp = m_dbRange;
-	const float dbRangeNew = m_dbRange - copysignf(COMP_GRID_SPACING, event->angleDelta().y());
-	m_dbRange = round(qBound(COMP_GRID_SPACING, dbRangeNew, COMP_GRID_MAX) / COMP_GRID_SPACING) * COMP_GRID_SPACING;


Since scroll.getSteps() returns an int I don't think we need to round to the nearest multiple of COMP_GRID_SPACING because the new value will always be a multiple of COMP_GRID_SPACING.

regulus79 · 2025-06-15T18:04:56Z

I tested this, and it works pretty great!

OS

I'm on Arch LInux with GNOME

Hardware

I'm using a touchpad built in to the laptop I use. From cat /proc/bus/input/devices it appears to be an "ETPS/2 Elantech touchpad"? I don't know what that means but hopefully that's useful lol.

$ cat /proc/bus/input/devices
...
I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=000e Version=0000
N: Name="ETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad"
P: Phys=isa0060/serio1/input0
S: Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input17
U: Uniq=
H: Handlers=event10 mouse1 
B: PROP=5
B: EV=b
B: KEY=e420 10000 0 0 0 0
B: ABS=661800011000003
...

Testing

Diagonal scrolling in song editor and piano roll is much better 👍
AudioFileProcessor zooming works. However, it is reversed, but I think it feels better that way. 👍
Compressor zooming seems to work as before (I didn't know you could zoom it lol) 👍
Equalizer handle resonance scrolling works much better 👍
Vectorscope zooming works 👍
Pattern editor volume scrolling works 👍
Automation Editor zooming/scrolling/etc works. The zooming and quantization changing feels a bit sensitive, but it's fine.
Piano roll zooming/scrolling/etc works as well. Again the combo box stuff feels a bit sensitive but it's fine.
Song editor scrolling and zooming work great. 👍
Scrolling piano in instrument window works. However, I noticed that scrolling left/right on my trackpad scrolls it at a normal speed, but scrolling up/down while holding shift scrolls it super fast. Idk if this was intentional or not.
Resizing height of tracks works with alt, but not shift.
Knobs work well, except that it seems holding ctrl while scrolling turns it at the same speed as holding alt while scrolling?
Log knobs feel fine.
Combo boxes/LCD number things work. 👍
Envelope/FX tabs in instruments work. They also feel a bit fast to me, but it's waay better than it was before so maybe it's fine.

Things I noticed

Scrolling on faders feels super sensitive. Even with scrolling on a normal mouse.
Scrolling on LCD numbers/combo boxes still feels maybe a tiny bit too fast for me? (or maybe it's fine, it's much better than what it used to be)
Changing the volume of a note in the piano roll via scrolling feels a bit slow compared to the pattern editor.

allejok96 · 2025-06-15T19:55:41Z

Thanks for the thorough testing @regulus79

Scrolling on faders feels super sensitive

Good catch! I've fixed it now. It doesn't scroll linearly though, but it didn't before either and I'm not gonna fix that in this PR.

Diagonal scrolling in song editor and piano roll is much better

I'll check that off the TODO list

AudioFileProcessor zooming ... is reversed, but I think it feels better

That was intentional... I think

Scrolling piano in instrument window ... left/right scrolls at a normal speed, but up/down while holding shift scrolls it super fast

This seems to be a QScrollbar thing. I tested holding shift while scrolling the project notes and it scrolled faster. Good to know...

Resizing height of tracks works with alt, but not shift.

Sorry, I tricked you. It should be Alt+Shift not Ctrl+Shift.

holding ctrl while scrolling turns knobs at the same speed as holding alt

There's only a difference if the range is greater than 1000 steps, like the FREQ knob in Envelope tab.

Scrolling on LCD numbers/combo boxes still feels maybe a tiny bit too fast for me

There's not much to do, I'm afraid. If we slowed it down for you it would require two steps on a regular mouse wheel to move it one step.

Changing the volume of a note in the piano roll via scrolling feels a bit slow compared to the pattern editor.

Interesting find, I don't know if we should change it though.

regulus79

I didn't do a thorough review, but I looked over the code and it looked pretty good!

plugins/Eq/EqCurve.cpp

regulus79 · 2025-06-15T21:54:48Z

include/AutomationEditor.h

 	static const int DEFAULT_Y_DELTA = 6;
 	static const int DEFAULT_STEPS_PER_BAR = 16;
 	static const int DEFAULT_PPB = 12 * DEFAULT_STEPS_PER_BAR;
+	static const int PIXELS_PER_SCROLL = 36;


Would it make sense to define this somewhere where all editors can access it?

I just tried to add it to the Editor base class, but realized that is the base class of PianoRollWindow, SongEditorWindow so that wouldn't work... Do you have any other suggestion? Should we define it in Scroll.h?

That sounds fine. It feels like it would make sense to have some sort of standard pixels-per-scroll value, if in the future people implement scrolling things which need to move consistently with the all the editors and stuff, or we ever want to add a setting for scroll sensitivity idk.

src/gui/widgets/TabWidget.cpp

regulus79

I'm not sure I have the mental energy to review the code 100% and understand exactly what every line is doing, but my past self did look though the code and thoroughly tested it (above), and it seems to work very well.

Given what JohannesLorenz mentioned on the discord, careful code review is not as high a priority for GUI changes, so I feel comfortable approving this.

allejok96 · 2025-07-02T21:22:24Z

We just need a macOS tester for the natural scrolling... @tresf where are you?

tresf · 2025-07-03T05:27:44Z

We just need a macOS tester for the natural scrolling... @tresf where are you?

I'll test and report my findings.

tresf · 2025-07-03T14:46:46Z

macOS testing on trackpad:

Status	Component	Description	Modifier
✅ PASS	Knob	change value faster	shift
✅ PASS	Knob	change value slower (on knobs with a lot of values)	ctrl (Command)
🚫 FAIL	Knob	change value super slow (on knobs with a lot of values)	alt (Option)

The good:

The knob speed is GREATLY improved with this PR. Using the trackpad to adjust knobs prior to this PR is very painful.

The bad: (including a few observations that may be contributing to the failing of the third test)

The Alt modifier doesn't work well for flipping vertical and horizontal for the Piano Roll editor, however the scrolling seems to be controlling the horizontal in areas that should be ignored (such as track labels and track knobs scrolling the piano roll instead), so there's some propagation that existed before this PR that might be impacting this behavior.
For this reason, I believe that Alt is allowing the "super slow" behavior properly, but due to the propagation to the piano roll, this only works on horizontal scroll (which is backwards, knobs are normally adjusted with vertical scroll). It works "OK" if used in the wrong axis, but this is clearly a bug in the implementation. For this reason, I would recommend NOT trying to re-use a single shortcut key for two separate wheel functions.

Status	Component	Description	Modifier
🚫 FAIL	Automation editor	scroll horizontally	alt (Option)
✅ PASS	Automation editor	zoom	ctrl (Command)
✅ PASS	Automation editor	zoom Y direction	ctrl+shift (Command + shift)

macOS uses Command for zoom modifier and that works just fine however horizontal scrolling via modifier seems to be bound to Shift, not <kbd>Alt</kbd> as documented above. Trackpad's built-in horizontal works just fine without modifiers.

Status	Component	Description	Modifier
✅ PASS	LcdSpinBox	change value

The accuracy of this on trackpad is GREATLY improved and the trackpad works fine for this, but sometimes the controls are passed to the parent (such as the Song Editor) and it scrolls the track away from the cursor. I've uploaded a video of this to show the (somewhat) erratic the behavior is.

lcd_scroll.mov

Status	Component	Description	Modifier
✅ PASS	Envelope/FX tabs in instrument window	change tab
✅ PASS	LcdFloatSpinBox (in Scales and Keymaps)	change value

The accuracy of these on trackpad are GREATLY improved!

Testing notes:

I didn't test at all with mouse yet
I didn't test every table item however general navigation feels normal, no major regressions observed.

tresf · 2025-07-03T14:53:35Z

Just adding that pinch/zoom still does not work at all with this PR. I'm not sure if that's in scope or not.

allejok96 · 2025-07-03T21:17:45Z

Thanks @tresf! Qt uses Alt to swap orientation on Windows and Linux. I had a vague memory that this wasn't the case on macOS so I coded an exception to disregard Alt on macOS. Maybe they've changed it? Could you test if you test if you can use Alt to swap orientation in the project notes or the mixer? (testing on any recent build will be fine)

tresf · 2025-07-07T14:23:10Z

Thanks @tresf! Qt uses Alt to swap orientation on Windows and Linux. I had a vague memory that this wasn't the case on macOS so I coded an exception to disregard Alt on macOS. Maybe they've changed it? Could you test if you test if you can use Alt to swap orientation in the project notes or the mixer? (testing on any recent build will be fine)

Project notes does not appear to have a horizontal scroll bar
Mixer does have a horizontal scroll bar and I'm able to switch from "vertical" to "horizontal" using Shift however it is extremely sensitive and not very useful and only works with mouse (does not work with trackpad)
Moving my mouse over the horizontal scrollbar also allows me to adjust it without any modifiers (I assume this is the stock behavior?)
The Shift "modifier" behavior is ignored with trackpad on mixer, but is honored on song-editor. Unlike the mixer + mouse behavior, Shift is granular and fluid when used as a modifier for the trackpad (I can't for the life of me understand why someone with a trackpad would use this modifier, but it works fine on Song Editor)

allejok96 · 2025-07-07T16:41:57Z

Notes to self

The Alt modifier doesn't work

Glancing through the Qt source code for macOS I see no mention of an Alt modifier [1] like there is on Windows. [2]. To match that system behavior, this PR does not use Alt to swap orientation on macOS [3].

using Shift however it is extremely sensitive

This is a thing with QScrollBar, it "moves one page regardless of delta" when holding Ctrl or Shift. [4]

I'm able to switch from "vertical" to "horizontal" using Shift ... only works with mouse (does not work with trackpad)

Seems to be something macOS does on system level [5]. This complicates things quite a bit... I don't think there's much we can do about that.

Questions to @tresf

Is the propagation issue you show in the video only happening when you press a certain modifier and using a trackpad or mouse?
Does it not happen on master?
Alt should not change orientation on macOS, and it seems to working fine, but somehow it still affects knobs?
If shift changes direction with regular mouse, then shift+scroll with a regular mouse on knobs shouldn't work?

allejok96 · 2025-07-07T16:50:11Z

And also, in which direction does "combo boxes" scroll in other apps on macOS?

tresf · 2025-07-07T17:10:09Z

Is the propagation issue you show in the video only happening when you press a certain modifier and using a trackpad or mouse?

Just to focus on this one issue a bit... (Trackpad only)

Currently anything left of the editor area (track labels, gear, mute, solo, mixer and knobs) allows the trackpad to scroll left and right in the Song-Editor. This is much more consistent with this PR versus master branch (for example, master branch works on track labels, gear, mute, solo but NOT on mixer and knobs)
Where this PR acts a bit weird (still a huge improvement over master) is when Alt (Option) is pressed. Here's a screen recording of holding Alt (Option) and scrolling the trackpad left/right. I think what's happening is since some of the scroll direction is being polluted (fingers drift on the trackpad), both directions are being triggered at the same time.

alt_pressed.mov

Alt should not change orientation on macOS, and it seems to working fine, but somehow it still affects knobs?

Correct, with the trackpad, knobs and sliders are inverted with Alt (Option). This may be normal but I wanted to share.

Seems to be something macOS does on system level [5]. This complicates things quite a bit... I don't think there's much we can do about that.

Yeah it's just odd to have Shift do something different between knobs / sliders (faster) and scroll bars (invert). I feel the same way about Alt (Option) being used for both slow control as well as inversion modifier, but if no one else cares, I won't complain. With exception of pinch/zoom missing, navigation on a trackpad is so much better than a conventional mouse and this PR makes that even better.

tresf · 2025-07-07T17:13:58Z

And also, in which direction does "combo boxes" scroll in other apps on macOS?

I tested this in GarageBand and Safari and macOS combo boxes don't respond at all to trackpad "scroll" events.

allejok96 · 2025-07-07T18:35:58Z

I think what's happening is since some of the scroll direction is being polluted (fingers drift on the trackpad), both directions are being triggered at the same time

I think you nailed it

knobs and sliders are inverted with Alt (Option)

Like X/Y swapped or up/down swapped?

allejok96 · 2025-07-08T14:49:19Z

I'm testing scrolling in Windows 11 on my old laptop with a synaptics touchpad. These are my (not LMMS specific) findings:

Scrolling doesn't work anywhere in the OS when Alt is pressed... 😐
Not all system apps uses Shift to scroll horizontally. Browsers do. Explorer, Notepad, Taskmanager, doesn't.
Ctrl or Shift makes scrolling slower in apps like Task manager and Explorer.
In Qt apps Ctrl or Shift makes it scroll a whole page each time (QScrollBar feature), but since scrolling seems to be slowed down by the system it takes a larger than usual movement to make it move.
In Qt apps horizontal scrolling (on my synaptics touchpad) is interpreted as left/right arrow key presses. So I can move the cursor in a textfield in VLC by scrolling horizontally. This is not the case for native apps.

I have developed a new hatred towards this issue.

Edit: I heard from other Windows users that Alt works fine for them. Maybe all of these issues are just because I have an old touchpad with a sketchy driver.

tresf · 2025-07-08T17:06:04Z

I think what's happening is since some of the scroll direction is being polluted (fingers drift on the trackpad), both directions are being triggered at the same time

I think you nailed it

knobs and sliders are inverted with Alt (Option)

Like X/Y swapped or up/down swapped?

When Alt (Option) is used on the knobs, it slows down the sensitivity AND inverts, so the knobs can only be adjusted by swiping the wrong way (up/down won't adjust the knob, only left/right will).

When Alt (Option) is used on the sliders, it doesn't seem to impact sensitivity but still inverts (up/down do nothing whereas left/right is needed to adjust the slider).

Re-quoting:

I would recommend NOT trying to re-use a single shortcut key for two separate wheel functions.

allejok96 · 2025-07-08T19:54:55Z

Huh, well that makes things easier, then I can remove the macOS specific code

headquarter8302 · 2025-07-09T11:36:27Z

Tested on Windows 11 on an ASUS Precision Touchpad and Logitech M170/M171 mice. Works fine, Shift and Alt changes the scroll direction to left/right. Diagonal scrolling also works fine

allejok96 · 2025-07-10T22:41:13Z

Thank you to everyone who tested this!

@tresf whenever you get around to it, make a final test that Option can switch X/Y now and confirm that scrolling up increases the volume of Faders, even though you have natural scrolling. I agree that Alt shouldn't do multiple things, but there's not so much we can do about it being used to swap X/Y. And most people also want Shift to do that.

Since the problems seems to be so OS dependent, there are probably more edge cases to be found. But the current state of LMMS is so horrible on a trackpad / smooth scrolling mouse, so the sooner we get it merged the better. And then I'm sure those bug reports will drop in eventually :) GUI code is cheap to fix, no backwards compatibility to worry about.

tresf · 2025-07-11T15:55:00Z

@tresf whenever you get around to it, make a final test that Option can switch X/Y now and confirm that scrolling up increases the volume of Faders, even though you have natural scrolling. I agree that Alt shouldn't do multiple things, but there's not so much we can do about it being used to swap X/Y. And most people also want Shift to do that.

Knobs

Shift acts as an accelerator for up/down
Super (Command) acts as a decelerator for up/down
Shift acts as an inverter for left/right to make it instead go up/down
🚫 Alt (Option) doesn't appear to work as an inverter

Faders

Shift acts as an accelerator for up/down
Super (Command) acts as a decelerator for up/down
Alt (Option) acts as an inverter for left/right to make it instead go up/down
🚫 Shift doesn't appear to work as an inverter

sooner we get it merged the better

I agree, this is all a vast improvement, I just have serious issues with dual function keybindings. All it takes is for a fader to be left/right and bindings like Shift start to break my brain. Furthemore, bindings such as Super + Scroll for Zoom otherwise break any future possibility for a decelerator key. (I understand that complaining about this is much less effort -- and less productive -- than helping choose a better shortcut system, but I have a fear that if we don't iron this out now, we'll be struggling with this for years to come)

tresf · 2025-07-11T15:56:46Z

I'd also like to make a prominent note that Shift SLOWS the controls when the mouse is used but SPEEDS the controls when the trackpad is used, another head-scratcher.

RainbowShatter

I acrually didn't looked at anything, but I love Smooth Scrolling!

tresf · 2025-07-12T15:50:25Z

I acrually didn't looked at anything, but I love Smooth Scrolling!

Downloads are available here: https://lmms.io/download/pull-request/7941

allejok96 · 2025-07-12T18:21:14Z

We need to the bottom of how Qt receives WheelEvents on macOS before we can continue.

I think we settled that Qt switches x/y when Alt is pressed.
Does the OS also intervene in some way when modifiers are pressed?
Is there a difference between how the OS handles a trackpad and a mouse?
Does different Qt widgets have different default behavior?

First of all, let's make sure we both use the same terminology. To make it easier (for me), let's call the keys by the names that are used in the codebase:

Secondly, I've hacked together a tool that will print out some debug info for WheelEvents on different widgets. Download the build and open Project notes.

https://github.com/allejok96/lmms/actions/runs/16240581001#artifacts

allejok96 · 2025-07-12T18:47:35Z

For the record, these are my findings on Linux with trackpad. Left/right scroll not supported 😢 (by my hardware)

No modifiers, scrolling up

Positive Y values.
Scroll area moves to the top
Sliders moves up/right
Scrolling directly on the scrollbars moves them up/left

`Alt`, scrolling up

Positive X values
Moves to the left side of the text
The sliders move down and left 🤔
Scrolling directly on the scrollbars moves them up/left

`Ctrl` or `Shift`

Values are the same, but widgets move faster.

`Meta`

Same as no modifiers. Also, combining modifiers simply combine their behavior.

The values inv and phase are always zero.

tresf · 2025-07-13T14:10:17Z

For the record, these are my findings on Linux with trackpad. Left/right scroll not supported :(

Wow. macOS support is starting to look sunny. ☀️

bratpeki · 2025-11-30T16:15:19Z

@allejok96 can you merge this with upstream, just to boot up Actions?

bratpeki · 2025-12-16T22:32:45Z

Testing note

Manjaro Linux

Number	Footnote
`1`	Alt just inverts, meaning if you hold alt and move horizontally along the trackpad, you'll end up scrolling vertically in LMMS.
`2`	I think there are two different kinds of faders, logarithmic and linear. AFAICT, mixer faders are log, the fader in the compressor is linear.
`3`	Scrolling behavior is different between the integer part and decimal places (which is a good thing).

Better support for smooth scrolling trackpads and mice

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